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		<title>By: Dr. Stephanie Buehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Stephanie Buehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is so NOT about the wedding.  The wedding is a public exchange of vows.  It is a way to announce to society that you and your spouse have formed a legal union.  If you are religious, it is an announcement to your maker and your community that you are forming a sacred, exclusive union.  Once you marry, you begin to play out archetypal roles, ancient ways of being with one another that you didn&#039;t even know were there.  It doesn&#039;t matter if you lived together first, the public declaration of a wedding means that you are officially stepping into the roles of husband and wife if you are a heterosexual couple.  What emerges after the ceremony is different that what took place before.  The stress of changing roles and other adjustments can be overwhelming.  I don&#039;t care what anyone else says, some people do change after the wedding because of expectations and an inability to cope with disappointment and stress.

Interesting blog, Meg.  Good luck with your book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is so NOT about the wedding.  The wedding is a public exchange of vows.  It is a way to announce to society that you and your spouse have formed a legal union.  If you are religious, it is an announcement to your maker and your community that you are forming a sacred, exclusive union.  Once you marry, you begin to play out archetypal roles, ancient ways of being with one another that you didn&#8217;t even know were there.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if you lived together first, the public declaration of a wedding means that you are officially stepping into the roles of husband and wife if you are a heterosexual couple.  What emerges after the ceremony is different that what took place before.  The stress of changing roles and other adjustments can be overwhelming.  I don&#8217;t care what anyone else says, some people do change after the wedding because of expectations and an inability to cope with disappointment and stress.</p>
<p>Interesting blog, Meg.  Good luck with your book!</p>
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		<title>By: SamB</title>
		<link>http://apracticalwedding.com/2010/01/reclaiming-wife-marriage-ambivalence/comment-page-2/#comment-64399</link>
		<dc:creator>SamB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s very normal to be ambivalent.  Especially because of &quot;the wife gap.&quot;  I never had the desire to be a mommy or a housewife, so getting married (at least as it&#039;s portrayed) seemed like little else than a step in those directions.  Not desireable to the little girl who used to use a bic to give baby dolls black eyes so that she could play social worker.

And that&#039;s the other half.  I didn&#039;t believe in marriage because everyone I knew who got married, later got divorced.  My parents were divorced when I was two, and I didn&#039;t really care growing up (Families come in all shapes and sizes, right Mister Rogers?).  But I remember my best friends&#039; reactions when their parents got divorced. Sad.  It still makes me cry when I think about young me, having to explain to my young friends that it wasn&#039;t their fault.  If getting married was a step towards having kids, and kaving kids meant breaking their hearts when (not if) you got divorced, I wanted no part of it.

And most of the things people are talking about feeling with their partners?  I felt most of those before I got engaged.  Getting engaged was more about extending our ability to care for each other.  My nightmare is that I will have a heart attack or a bike wreck and he will be outside in the waiting room while my (DNR obsessed) mom makes the decision.  His is that he will pass away (or be abducted by aliens) and I will be left alone and on the streets because the house is in his name only.  Those mundane reasons become important in the light of taking care of each other and loving each other with everything we have.

But being engaged means that people take us seriously, when we say we have holiday plans, or even date night.  They quit implying that every tiny disagreement between us could be &quot;the end.&quot;  My mom quit asking if I needed a place to stay for a while. It even extends to our decision to not have cars, which is now a thing that we are doing together, as a couple, as a facet of our &quot;very serious&quot; relationship.  If I&#039;m being honest, I never expected that getting married would make me easier to take seriously.

And as a sidenote, when people pull the whole pessimistic &quot;marriage is hard,&quot; &quot;parenting will destroy your sense of self,&quot; and &quot;you&#039;ll grow out of touch with your spouse/never have sex again&quot;...  It makes me question every time either on of my parents told me it wasn&#039;t my fault.  Those kids who finally believed that, who now have to hear about how having children will ruin your marriage... What message do we send them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very normal to be ambivalent.  Especially because of &#8220;the wife gap.&#8221;  I never had the desire to be a mommy or a housewife, so getting married (at least as it&#8217;s portrayed) seemed like little else than a step in those directions.  Not desireable to the little girl who used to use a bic to give baby dolls black eyes so that she could play social worker.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the other half.  I didn&#8217;t believe in marriage because everyone I knew who got married, later got divorced.  My parents were divorced when I was two, and I didn&#8217;t really care growing up (Families come in all shapes and sizes, right Mister Rogers?).  But I remember my best friends&#8217; reactions when their parents got divorced. Sad.  It still makes me cry when I think about young me, having to explain to my young friends that it wasn&#8217;t their fault.  If getting married was a step towards having kids, and kaving kids meant breaking their hearts when (not if) you got divorced, I wanted no part of it.</p>
<p>And most of the things people are talking about feeling with their partners?  I felt most of those before I got engaged.  Getting engaged was more about extending our ability to care for each other.  My nightmare is that I will have a heart attack or a bike wreck and he will be outside in the waiting room while my (DNR obsessed) mom makes the decision.  His is that he will pass away (or be abducted by aliens) and I will be left alone and on the streets because the house is in his name only.  Those mundane reasons become important in the light of taking care of each other and loving each other with everything we have.</p>
<p>But being engaged means that people take us seriously, when we say we have holiday plans, or even date night.  They quit implying that every tiny disagreement between us could be &#8220;the end.&#8221;  My mom quit asking if I needed a place to stay for a while. It even extends to our decision to not have cars, which is now a thing that we are doing together, as a couple, as a facet of our &#8220;very serious&#8221; relationship.  If I&#8217;m being honest, I never expected that getting married would make me easier to take seriously.</p>
<p>And as a sidenote, when people pull the whole pessimistic &#8220;marriage is hard,&#8221; &#8220;parenting will destroy your sense of self,&#8221; and &#8220;you&#8217;ll grow out of touch with your spouse/never have sex again&#8221;&#8230;  It makes me question every time either on of my parents told me it wasn&#8217;t my fault.  Those kids who finally believed that, who now have to hear about how having children will ruin your marriage&#8230; What message do we send them?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While some people may be pretending, to protect their Independent-Woman image, I think a lot of people just saw a lot of nasty divorces [or nasty should-have-divorced] around as children &amp; never wanted to go through that!

It is possible [probable?] that the blogosphere has a much higher percentage of women with these ambivalent feelings, and hence, writing about them. After all, for people who always knew they wanted marriage, there isn&#039;t that conflict to work out and write about!

Also, there are differences between &quot;I never thought I&#039;d get married&quot;,
&quot;I went through times where I thought I&#039;d Never get married&quot;, and &quot;I was never one to dream of getting married&quot;.

I never *dreamed* of marriage, or wrote my name with boys&#039; names. There were times I considered marriage, certainly, and times when I thought, NO WAY.

Now, I haven&#039;t started a wedding blog, but I did join the OffBeatBride Tribe. I&#039;m still not interested in flower arrangements [too expensive for us, and he doesn&#039;t like cut flowers!], but it does seem that when the event in question is for you and your Special Person, the level of interest changes!

Just some thoughts I had in response to the above. ;p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While some people may be pretending, to protect their Independent-Woman image, I think a lot of people just saw a lot of nasty divorces [or nasty should-have-divorced] around as children &amp; never wanted to go through that!</p>
<p>It is possible [probable?] that the blogosphere has a much higher percentage of women with these ambivalent feelings, and hence, writing about them. After all, for people who always knew they wanted marriage, there isn&#8217;t that conflict to work out and write about!</p>
<p>Also, there are differences between &#8220;I never thought I&#8217;d get married&#8221;,<br />
&#8220;I went through times where I thought I&#8217;d Never get married&#8221;, and &#8220;I was never one to dream of getting married&#8221;.</p>
<p>I never *dreamed* of marriage, or wrote my name with boys&#8217; names. There were times I considered marriage, certainly, and times when I thought, NO WAY.</p>
<p>Now, I haven&#8217;t started a wedding blog, but I did join the OffBeatBride Tribe. I&#8217;m still not interested in flower arrangements [too expensive for us, and he doesn't like cut flowers!], but it does seem that when the event in question is for you and your Special Person, the level of interest changes!</p>
<p>Just some thoughts I had in response to the above. ;p</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://apracticalwedding.com/2010/01/reclaiming-wife-marriage-ambivalence/comment-page-2/#comment-42686</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My man &amp; I will have been together nearly ten years when we get married, we&#039;re well into our thirties, and our friends are still excited for us. People care.
It may be a bit silly, but it certainly isn&#039;t ridiculous. ;p
I think it&#039;s great when people have super-long relationships. (&amp; get married well into them!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My man &amp; I will have been together nearly ten years when we get married, we&#8217;re well into our thirties, and our friends are still excited for us. People care.<br />
It may be a bit silly, but it certainly isn&#8217;t ridiculous. ;p<br />
I think it&#8217;s great when people have super-long relationships. (&amp; get married well into them!)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Amber! I just want to hug you! *HUGS*

I&#039;m hoping maybe you&#039;ve seen these by now, but, here:
http://apracticalwedding.com/2010/07/a-way-to-weigh-what-you-weigh-when-you-wed/ (SO awesome)

http://www.alosangeleslove.com/2010/08/what-to-look-for-in-photographer.html (there&#039;s a follow-up post, too, and she confirms your suspicions--the photogs are pretty much only blogging the &quot;pretty&quot; people.

Best Wishes to you. You are loved, you are worthy. I hope you see this! (&amp; anyone else with similar feelings!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Amber! I just want to hug you! *HUGS*</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping maybe you&#8217;ve seen these by now, but, here:<br />
<a href="http://apracticalwedding.com/2010/07/a-way-to-weigh-what-you-weigh-when-you-wed/" rel="nofollow">http://apracticalwedding.com/2010/07/a-way-to-weigh-what-you-weigh-when-you-wed/</a> (SO awesome)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alosangeleslove.com/2010/08/what-to-look-for-in-photographer.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alosangeleslove.com/2010/08/what-to-look-for-in-photographer.html</a> (there&#8217;s a follow-up post, too, and she confirms your suspicions&#8211;the photogs are pretty much only blogging the &#8220;pretty&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Best Wishes to you. You are loved, you are worthy. I hope you see this! (&amp; anyone else with similar feelings!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. My man &amp; I have been together for so long, that when I told my sister that I had exciting news, her first guess was, &quot;You&#039;re pregnant?!&quot;...it was rather annoying to say &quot;No, we&#039;re &#039;just&#039; engaged&quot;...like engagement is &quot;JUST&quot;, solely on account of her pregnancy-guess. Sigh. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. My man &amp; I have been together for so long, that when I told my sister that I had exciting news, her first guess was, &#8220;You&#8217;re pregnant?!&#8221;&#8230;it was rather annoying to say &#8220;No, we&#8217;re &#8216;just&#8217; engaged&#8221;&#8230;like engagement is &#8220;JUST&#8221;, solely on account of her pregnancy-guess. Sigh. :P</p>
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		<title>By: practical, schmactical</title>
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		<dc:creator>practical, schmactical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes wonder *why* anyone wants to get married. Is it selfish? Is it narcissistic? I have to remind myself that it is none of the above. It is a kick ass party celebrating your love for someone with your friends and family. Go ahead and call the legal paper-signing part the wedding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder *why* anyone wants to get married. Is it selfish? Is it narcissistic? I have to remind myself that it is none of the above. It is a kick ass party celebrating your love for someone with your friends and family. Go ahead and call the legal paper-signing part the wedding.</p>
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		<title>By: onesmallstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>onesmallstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for example. i&#039;m ostensibly a wedding blogger, yet i got engaged on 9.9.09 and didn&#039;t mention it until this week. i still haven&#039;t told some old friends, and i certainly haven&#039;t posted it on facebook. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;at first my ambivalence (and active procrastination) about calling up everyone i know and telling them about being engaged seemed like maybe a red flag. what does it mean!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;yet i find i feel strangely *protective* of this fledgling marriage, and this event to celebrate it. there&#039;s a question of how much to share and how much to keep private, how much is between me and my fiance and how much goes to committee, and i&#039;m still not quite ready to let everyone have a crack at it. not quite yet. it doesn&#039;t mean i&#039;m any less committed or delighted. :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;meg, thank you for posting and for giving so many a forum to grapple with big questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for example. i&#39;m ostensibly a wedding blogger, yet i got engaged on 9.9.09 and didn&#39;t mention it until this week. i still haven&#39;t told some old friends, and i certainly haven&#39;t posted it on facebook. </p>
<p>at first my ambivalence (and active procrastination) about calling up everyone i know and telling them about being engaged seemed like maybe a red flag. what does it mean!</p>
<p>yet i find i feel strangely *protective* of this fledgling marriage, and this event to celebrate it. there&#39;s a question of how much to share and how much to keep private, how much is between me and my fiance and how much goes to committee, and i&#39;m still not quite ready to let everyone have a crack at it. not quite yet. it doesn&#39;t mean i&#39;m any less committed or delighted. :)</p>
<p>meg, thank you for posting and for giving so many a forum to grapple with big questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiance and I have been together for 12 years now. In the beginning, I was quite hurt when he said he had no desire to get married,was committed however didn&#039;t need a paper to prove it. Very unromantic. Over the years I accepted that what we had was enough and apart from disliking the awkwardness when introducing him as my boyfriend, I didn&#039;t need the paper either. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then one summer evening he came home with a ring and proposed. I was in shock. Now I&#039;m all caught up in the wedding planning and wonder if it&#039;s worth the money and asking myself what happened to the &quot;we don&#039;t need a piece of paper&quot; idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a bit silly to do this after 12 years? I don&#039;t think anyone cares anymore (except for my mom). I just feel well...ambivalent or like I&#039;m trying to fill a role that&#039;s only belongs to twenty somethings in new relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiance and I have been together for 12 years now. In the beginning, I was quite hurt when he said he had no desire to get married,was committed however didn&#39;t need a paper to prove it. Very unromantic. Over the years I accepted that what we had was enough and apart from disliking the awkwardness when introducing him as my boyfriend, I didn&#39;t need the paper either. </p>
<p>Then one summer evening he came home with a ring and proposed. I was in shock. Now I&#39;m all caught up in the wedding planning and wonder if it&#39;s worth the money and asking myself what happened to the &quot;we don&#39;t need a piece of paper&quot; idea.</p>
<p>Is it a bit silly to do this after 12 years? I don&#39;t think anyone cares anymore (except for my mom). I just feel well&#8230;ambivalent or like I&#39;m trying to fill a role that&#39;s only belongs to twenty somethings in new relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: 5 Dollar Bride</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 Dollar Bride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiance and I would have been happy to stay together, have a family, and just live life together without a legal marriage.  But he has two children from a previous marriage, and in Arkansas, you can&#039;t &quot;live&quot; with your children and an unmarried significant other if the two of you aren&#039;t married - not even for one night. This is to prevent gay or single people from adopting children, since gay couples also can&#039;t marry here.  This infuriates me, but this is where we live, and he is who I love.  I love his kids, too, so, marriage it is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We aren&#039;t ambivalent about being married to each other, but we were ambivalent about marriage in general - we didn&#039;t &quot;need&quot; it to be together or to be happy. We had many conversations about this late at night.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are some great legal and &quot;romantic&quot; perks either way, I think. The idea of calling each other &quot;husband&quot; and &quot;wife&quot; excites us, and I feel good about &quot;moving forward&quot; with our lives - not that we needed to be married to do so, but it does feel good.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiance and I would have been happy to stay together, have a family, and just live life together without a legal marriage.  But he has two children from a previous marriage, and in Arkansas, you can&#39;t &quot;live&quot; with your children and an unmarried significant other if the two of you aren&#39;t married &#8211; not even for one night. This is to prevent gay or single people from adopting children, since gay couples also can&#39;t marry here.  This infuriates me, but this is where we live, and he is who I love.  I love his kids, too, so, marriage it is. </p>
<p>We aren&#39;t ambivalent about being married to each other, but we were ambivalent about marriage in general &#8211; we didn&#39;t &quot;need&quot; it to be together or to be happy. We had many conversations about this late at night.  </p>
<p>There are some great legal and &quot;romantic&quot; perks either way, I think. The idea of calling each other &quot;husband&quot; and &quot;wife&quot; excites us, and I feel good about &quot;moving forward&quot; with our lives &#8211; not that we needed to be married to do so, but it does feel good.  :)</p>
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